Beyond Unity - Alberto Molina-Martinez principle (The Rotating Magnetic Field used for Induction)

Vasile posted this 30 March 2023

Hello everyone,

There is this concept that has been pressing me for years now and because I have found extremely low information on it, I have decided to share it with you. It is about the principle of the rotating magnetic field being produced by an induction motors stator for example, but instead of inducing a current in the rotor bars it induces a current in a specially designed coil that is wound on a core and positioned where the usual rotor is supposed to be. I have attached the patent of Alberto MOLINA-MARTINEZ, which describes in detail the principle. I have been trying to build it and the simple way to go around it would be to take a 3 Phase induction stator and build basically only the "rotor" part. In order to build that part, I need laser cutting services for silicon steel sheets (0.3 - 0.5 mm thick), which I cannot find in my area. At the moment I am stuck with this project, construction-wise. Until I get moving, I wanted to discuss one main aspect of this machine and that is:
*Is the rotating magnetic field generated by the stator, inducing current in the secondary part by flux linkage or flux cutting? If it is flux linkage the whole thing would be a transformer, an inefficient one because of the air gap between the parts and the low frequency (50Hz). If it is flux cutting, then it is a generator and in theory, it should be very efficient mainly because we are not moving mechanically a piece of magnetized metal near an electrical conductor. The only thing that moves is the flux. Also, in the case of flux cutting, the stator input should be independent of the "rotor's" output as in the case of a car alternator (I have one car alternator laying around and to energize the electromagnet it is required 12V at 5A, but the output, when the electromagnet is mechanically moved of course, can be as high as 12V at 36A, so there is no electrical input power vs electrical output power "equality"). I am judging that this car alternator analogy would be the same for the device we are discussing here, but once again, we should have an advantage because we are not moving the flux mechanically.
I want to hear your thoughts on this, if you have more details about the device, maybe you have built it, etc.

All the best,
Vasile

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Atti posted this 31 March 2023

Hi Vasile.

Just one question. Where do you think the additional energy from this implementation could come from? What is the basis for the additional energy?

Atti.

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Vasile posted this 31 March 2023

Quoting:Atti

Just one question. Where do you think the additional energy from this implementation could come from? What is the basis for the additional energy?

I do not think it is additional energy. We are simply making it more efficient by moving just the magnetic flux and not the metal that is carrying the flux. We are reducing the losses so to speech. So we are not mechanically involved as in the case of a typical alternator where you have to physically move the magnetized rotor and have that opposition when motion beetwen the magnet and the output windings happens. You actually feel the back magnetomotive force, going against your motion and you have to push more if you want more. It is like Sisif pushing the rock uphill. In the case I am suggesting, you only have to move the magnetic flux. There are also many other people who promoted this idea like Clemente FIGUERAS and more recently the team from Holcomb Energy.

The most important question remains: Is it flux linking or flux cutting that is happening in the device I mentioned?

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Vasile posted this 26 June 2023

I come back with the answer to the first post of this thread. I made some experiments and I can conclude that Alberto MOLINA-MARTINEZs idea of using the rotating magnetic field as a generator, that presumably induces on a coil and produces more than its input, is incorect as far as I have experimented. It acts like a conventional transformer, a very inefficient one and not like a generator.

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Radi8 posted this 08 September 2023 - Last Edited 08 September 2023

I have been looking at this concept as well. Here is what I have found (my dates may not be exactly correct):

2001 May 21
- Alberto Molina Martinez submits his patent for "Continuous Electrical Generator":
  https://patents.google.com/patent/US20020125774A1/en
2017 Nov 17
- Holcomb Energy Systems files their patent for "Solid state multi-pole and uni-pole electric generator rotor for ac/dc electric generators" which is virtually identical to Alberto Molina's patent:
  https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2018065635A1/en
2018 Feb (or sometime before then)
- Pierre Cotnoir from Quebec Canada Posts videos of a looped self-running device operating on the same principles.
- A thread on Overunity.com is created:
  - https://overunity.com/17609/170-watts-in-1600-watts-out-looped-very-impressive-build-and-video/
- Pierre is supposedly in contact with user "gotoluc" and seems to be planning to share knowledge
2018 March 25
- Overunity.com user "cheors" supposedly receives message from Pierre stating Pierre is no longer willing to help and suddenly suggests he has been with-holding information (which really doesnt align with his previous posts):
  https://overunity.com/17653/pierres-170w-in-1600w-out-looped-very-impressive-build-continued-moderated/60/
- Pierre Deletes his videos. But copies can still be found here:
  https://www.youtube.com/@pmgriphone
2018 April 12
- Holcomb Energy Systems Patent is published
2022 Feb
- Holcomb Energy Systems makes their announcement to the public:
  https://www.newpowerprogress.com/news/holcomb-scientific-research-harnesses-electron-spin-to-deliver-power/8018093.article
- Website:
  https://holcombenergysystems.com/
- Youtube:
  https://www.youtube.com/@holcombenergysystems3264
2022 October
- No one on overunity.com seems to have had any success. Thread seems to loose interest:
  https://overunity.com/17653/pierres-170w-in-1600w-out-looped-very-impressive-build-continued-moderated/1425/
2023 June
- Building Landlord goes to court to try evict holcomb energy systems:
  https://unicourt.com/case/fl-srs-caseek5f16a103736e-479762

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Shelfordella posted this 08 September 2023

Maybe it works if the rotating B-fields cancel in the center where the coil is placed, so field-free A-vector induction takes place. Figuera uses magnetic current as a real thing, and as the means to get motional induction (I doubt there is another way to get ou), and his claim definitely is 'additional energy'..

"A little theory and calculation would have saved Edison 90 per cent of the labor." Nikola Tesla

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Vasile posted this 08 September 2023 - Last Edited 08 September 2023

Quoting:Radi8

I have been looking at this concept as well.

Hi there ! Thank you for your interest in this subject and for the chronological sequence of events. Regarding Pierre Cotnoir, I can say he is a dubious individual. Why? Well:

1) First red flag: the deletion of the videos. This means he is hiding something.

2) Second red flag: the frequency he is using versus the frequency he shows on the meter. You can see in the back those leds that are blinking, right? Well you shouldn't be able to see them blink if the output was 60 Hz as he states. He should get more like 3 Hz or lower, judging by the leds alone and those magnetic iron fillings that he uses to show the movement of the field.

3) Third red flag. This is in relation to the first one. I saw a video of his, on youtube, posted by another user (can't remember the user, it was years ago). This was after he deleted his own videos. The comment section was open for everyone and mister Pierre Cotnoir appears in the comments section requesting with an aggresive tone that the video should be deleted immediately ! It was his original youtube chanell that commented, not a third party chanell.

I will stop here for now.

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Vasile posted this 08 September 2023

Quoting:Shelfordella

Maybe it works if the rotating B-fields cancel in the center where the coil is placed, so field-free A-vector induction takes place.

B fields, H fields, A-vector, A potential, etc. Why does modern "science" complicate things so much. It seems like if they can't explain something with one term alone they invent one more. If Clemente Figueras managed to create a working device, he did it without knowing anything about an A-vector, or an A-potential or anything like that.