Concepts of "OU" devices

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Vidura posted this 27 November 2022

As promised I will import this thread from the backup forum. In first place I want to give credit and express my gratitude to Sergei Deyna, a great Researcher from Russia. He has made a huge number of experiments in diverse areas of physics, and published many papers from which I have used some parts for posting in the forums with his kind permission.

In this thread we will have a look on some basic concepts and principles of AU devices. It is well known from Newtons theory about thermodynamics, that energy cannot be created or destroyed. But it can be transformed in different forms, and it can be collected for our purposes. So if we want to understand, or replicate, or design such a machine, in first place we have to ask two key questions:

1.) Where does the surplus energy come from?

2.)How does this happen, what are the involved physical principles?

 

Let's take as an example a well-known and accepted AU machine, the heat pump. I think most of you know about this device, which is widely implemented in refrigerators, heating systems, or reversible air-conditioning devices which can operate in both directions. It is well known by engineers, that a modern heat pump can have a COP up to 6( for heating systems with liquid medium temperature exchanger's) . That means for one unit electric power , six units of thermal energy can be obtained. Refrigerators use the very same system, but the obtained heat energy is just wasted without using it.

For the first question it is quite obvious that the extra energy comes from the thermal background energy of the environment (air, water, earth ).

The second question is also not very difficult if someone has some basic information about thermodynamics.

Anyway a detailed analysis will help us for better understanding and give some inspiration for other less known and accepted machines.

We have two main parameters, temperature and pressure.

Under normal circumstances they will have proportional relationship, any increase in pressure will rise the temperature and vice versa.

This relates to a closed system, which does not interchange Energy with the environment, and is also called an adiabatic process. To get a non-adiabatic process, which is of our interest, some specific conditions have to be present. Of course the temperature exchangers on the hot and cold side are required in hardware, as well as a closed circuit filled with a medium. It can be any gas in our case, but for better performance special refrigerant is used, which will experience a change of its state of aggregate from gas to liquid and back, which increases the heat transfer by orders of magnitude. Then we need to create a difference of pressure inside the circuit,  usually a compressor will provide the propulsion of the medium, and a release valve will help to divide the circuit into two zones of different pressure. A heat exchanger will be placed in in each zone of pressure.

This setup produces a shift of phase between pressure and temperature, and this is what is making the process non adiabatic, and allows to transfer heat energy from a lower temperature level to a higher one, making possible all the before mentioned practical implementations of this devices.

 

Now let's make an analysis of another thermodynamic device:

There is another way to create a heat pump without a compressor and refrigerant, in which the working fluid itself (for example, gas) becomes a source of temperature differences and, under certain conditions, is capable of performing mechanical work itself.

Since all thermal phenomena are reversible, then by supplying thermal energy to the machine, mechanical work can be obtained at the output. Such devices are usually called thermoacoustic motors.

The simplest thermoacoustic machine consists of a resonator in the form of a tube and a regenerator made of a porous material, on the sides of which a temperature difference is created. In the simplest case, the regenerator can be a burner inserted inside the resonator (in the form of a vertically mounted glass tube) or a heated metal porous mesh, as shown in the figure below. 

The optimal position of the flame is in the centre of the resonator, and the grid is approximately L / 4 distance from the lower end.

The heat engine or thermoacoustic machine is of special interest for us, as it will help us to understand and draw analogy to various types of electrical self-feeding devices, which uses the principles of resonance.

The theory of the effect under consideration was created by Rayleigh in 1878, in which he discovered the principle that currently underlies all thermoacoustic.

And so, we will compare the principles of operation of the heat pump (generator) and the heat engine:

 

1) if heat is transferred to the gas at the moment of maximum rarefaction and/or heat is taken away at the moment of maximum compression , then this stimulates the transfer of heat energy.

 

The thermodynamic phenomenon underlying thermoacoustic is reversible.

 

The principle of operation of a heat engine :

2) if heat is transferred to the gas at the moment of maximum compression and / or heat is taken away at the moment of maximum rarefaction, then this stimulates gas oscillations.

 

The thermoacoustic device can be based on two modes of  resonant oscillations, on standing waves or on traveling waves.

Here  standing wave device with the graphs for displacement, pressure and temperature:

 

Below we can see a travelling wave device.

And in this video you can see a traveling wave resonator, which is used to produce electric energy from the vibrations of an attached magnet:

An interesting point is that a standing wave will be established in a half-wave resonator, when pressure and displacement will perform harmonic oscillations. But in addition to pressure and displacement, the working fluid in the resonator also changes the temperature according to a sinusoidal law, especially in the pressure antinodes. Depending on whether the ends of the resonator are open or closed, the pressure antinodes will be located either in the centre of the resonator or at its ends, respectively. The illustration below shows diagrams in which pressure antinodes are visible at the edges and in the centre.

The hydraulic RAM pump is an example for a self-oscillating device, that uses a non-compressible medium to collect energy from a low level source and shift it to a higher one, more suitable for our purposes. There are many different ways to get free energy. Some relative simple to do, others much more complex. Why there are such few replications of the BTG devices from Ruslan, Akula, Kapanazde to name only a few? Are we all that silly  that we are not able to replicate? I don't think so, first there are needed skills of various types to build them, and second, and this is the most important cause, we do not completely understand the theories and underlying principles. And this is the main purpose of this thread, to fill the gaps of knowledge.

The reason for analysing the thermodynamic devices is that they will help to draw analogy to the electrical machines, and understand intuitively what's going on.(left brain hemisphere). Thinking about the inconvenience with certain areas of textbook physics, I decided to decline to open disputes against them, as this would only lead to unfruitful discussion with those who are not ready to abandon the obsolete ideas. Instead I will simply trying to show alternative ways of explanations, and try to fit all together in a broader view.

In continuation we will begin to look for the analogies to the electric generators which are based on the principles of resonance for energy collection.

 

 

 

 

Vidura

Jagau posted this 12 January 2023

Hello Vidura
Interesting what you say here. I hear you talking about scalar wave and dielectric pressure. There is an interesting book to read written by Charles P. Steinmetz at the beginning of the century whose title is:

ELECTRIC DISCHARGES, WAVES AND IMPULSES


The first two chapters talk extensively about the subject that will surely interest you and I myself found several similarities with my current projects, I hope this can help you in your project and to have answers to your questions.

Chales P. Steinmetz

There obviously is no more sense in thinking of the capacity current as current which charges the conductor with a quantity of electricity, than there is of speaking of the inductance voltage as charging the conductor with a quantity of magnetism. But while the latter conception, together with the notion of a quantity of magnetism, etc., has vanished since Faraday's representation of the magnetic field by the lines of magnetic force, the terminology of electrostatics of many textbooks still speaks of electric charges on the conductor, and the energy stored by them, without considering that the dielectric, energy is not on the surface of the conductor, but in the space outside of the conductor, just as the magnetic energy.

 

You will have understood that Steinmetz when he speaks of dielectric field he also means electrostatic field which is the same thing said differently.

Jagau  

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Shelfordella posted this 14 January 2023

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-Effect-of-Retarded-Phase-Factor-in-Single-Wire-Liu-Liang/c9c142eb848ffa2d4c206b4dd2d0fda1268ee209

   

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=9295367

 

"A little theory and calculation would have saved Edison 90 per cent of the labor." Nikola Tesla

Vidura posted this 14 January 2023

Quoting:Jagau

Hello Vidura
Interesting what you say here. I hear you talking about scalar wave and dielectric pressure. There is an interesting book to read written by Charles P. Steinmetz at the beginning of the century whose title is:

ELECTRIC DISCHARGES, WAVES AND IMPULSES


The first two chapters talk extensively about the subject that will surely interest you and I myself found several similarities with my current projects, I hope this can help you in your project and to have answers to your questions.

Chales P. Steinmetz

There obviously is no more sense in thinking of the capacity current as current which charges the conductor with a quantity of electricity, than there is of speaking of the inductance voltage as charging the conductor with a quantity of magnetism. But while the latter conception, together with the notion of a quantity of magnetism, etc., has vanished since Faraday's representation of the magnetic field by the lines of magnetic force, the terminology of electrostatics of many textbooks still speaks of electric charges on the conductor, and the energy stored by them, without considering that the dielectric, energy is not on the surface of the conductor, but in the space outside of the conductor, just as the magnetic energy.

 

You will have understood that Steinmetz when he speaks of dielectric field he also means electrostatic field which is the same thing said differently.

Jagau  

You're right about that, I have read the book from Steinmetz. Actually it has been demonstrated long time ago with Leyden jar's that energy is stored in the dielectric, and the displacement of charges a secondary effect of dielectric waves.

Vidura

Vidura posted this 14 January 2023

Quoting:Shelfordella

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-Effect-of-Retarded-Phase-Factor-in-Single-Wire-Liu-Liang/c9c142eb848ffa2d4c206b4dd2d0fda1268ee209

   

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=9295367

 

It's exactly what this is about, I'm surprised that there's an experimental proof from IEEE, Great!

Vidura

Shelfordella posted this 14 January 2023

Yes, science and engineering are finally progressing and researching this area of  electrodynamics, These are also interesting 

http://tuks.nl/wiki/index.php/Main/Ruins96YearsEinsteinRelativity

Revision of Maxwell's Equations - Arend H. Lammertink

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/360484182_Low-Voltage_Plasma_Generator_Based_on_Standing_Wave_Voltage_Magnification

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276511506_Tesla_Coil_Theoretical_Model_and_its_Experimental_Verification

The capacitor as a dipole antenna:

http://www.ivorcatt.co.uk/em.htm

https://www.ivor-catt.com/

"A little theory and calculation would have saved Edison 90 per cent of the labor." Nikola Tesla

Atti posted this 15 January 2023

Well yeah. That's exactly why I have this experiment on my bench. Only without grounding. But it is.

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-Effect-of-Retarded-Phase-Factor-in-Single-Wire-Liu-Liang/c9c142eb848ffa2d4c206b4dd2d0fda1268ee209

 

Atti.

Shelfordella posted this 16 January 2023

Since this is a general topic regarding OU concepts, I think I know why nobody succeeded in replicating the MEG:

Hypothesis: The small pulsing (input) coils are NOT used for flux gating, but instead: the magnets saturate the metglas core, and the permeability of air, μ0, remains, the input coil(s) should induce the field in the same direction as the PM, their impedance is based on air permeabilty, when the output coil senses the change in flux, creates an emf and current is allowed, the back MMF will fight against the flux of the PM and won't be seen by the input coils, solid state asymmetry or non-reciprocity. Haven'figured out yet how this can be represented with a BH hysteresis curve. Just an idea which may or may not be correct, maybe someone with the materials could give it a try.

In other words: don't actively fight the PM flux by attempting flux gating, but passively by a counter-reaction, while generating real power.

"A little theory and calculation would have saved Edison 90 per cent of the labor." Nikola Tesla

Fighter posted this 16 January 2023

Replying To: Shelfordella

It's more than that, check my thread:

Aharonov-Bohm effect as zero-point energy concentrator

And watch carefully the video there where Tom Bearden explains how MEG is actually not just an magnetic fields transformer but it's more an electrical fields transformer using the Aharonov-Bohm effect. As he says - "unlike any transformer in the world as far as we know it !".

I mean this video, you can watch it here or there in the thread:

 

Also you may want to check the video of my related experiment there.

I will not add details from that thread here as I don't want to derail Vidura's thread.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
Shelfordella posted this 16 January 2023

Interesting thread, will be reading it. You also concluded that flux gating is incorrect, that was my point :-)  regards

"A little theory and calculation would have saved Edison 90 per cent of the labor." Nikola Tesla

Shelfordella posted this 20 January 2023

So I tried reading the MEG pdf by Bearden, it isn't written very well, it's extremely long-winded and diluted, repeating the same over and over, In the end the document seems to describe electromagnetic induction as a function of magnetic potentials. All curled A vp confined inside the core is something that also happens with regular coils on the extremely high μ metglass core., that's what it's made for

The working OU concept of the MEG seems to be similar to Sweet's VTA and Clemente Figurera's motionless generator: A permanent, one directional flux through a coil that is perturbed n the same direction to cause ripples or even a flux oscillation, and it obeys the rules for motional induction VxB (and/or dA/dt normally symmetrized away with the Lorentz gauge transformation) and obeys not the transformer the flux-linking  induction law. Figuera doesn't use a core or permanent magnets, but the result is the same: a varying unidirectional flux “to simulate the motion of magnets in a dynamo” in other words a motionless electromagnetic generator obeying the motional induction law. 

I imagine the BH curve rotating in the first quadrant on the top-right. If it's rotating clockwise, it functions as a negative resistor (Aspden).

 

edit

Another tthing

Both Tesla and Don Smith use equal and opposite coils connected in series, perturbed by a primary, maybe the end goal of this all is to confine the curled A inside the coil (through B-field interaction, adding, cancelling, standing or whicever)  to remain on the outside a field free A potential, which can be used by placing coils around it as antenna's as demonstrated by Don and suggested by many.

VxB=dA/dt

"A little theory and calculation would have saved Edison 90 per cent of the labor." Nikola Tesla

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