Beyond Unity - Electromagnetic Field Resonance

Apoc posted this 18 June 2024

Seems I come back to this every now and then, in my head it seems like it should work, but physically designing it and building it eludes me.

So I had another very through chat with chatgpt4. I'm convinced that no magnetic field is actually static, which is like blasphemy in the scientific field when it comes to permanent magnets.

If we look at how the atoms in iron can align their electrons together to create a magnetic field. Then take into account that all these electrons are moving (albeit small distances within the individual atoms). Then shouldn't the magnetic field that these electrons are producing move also at the same rate they are moving around the atoms.

The short answer I got from chat gpt is they would be moving in Terra hertz frequencies. Meaning that a permanent magnet made from iron actually has a magnetic field that is essentially vibrating at this same frequency due to the magnetic field being attached to these moving electrons within the atoms of the iron.

I looked it up and Electrons "orbit" Iron atoms at approximately 57,000,000 m/s.

Then if we go back to basics of induction, the speed at which a magnetic field moves (and this is moving wicked fast even if only microscopic distances) then the speed of this movement alone should generate something if the inductor is properly tuned to the rate at which the electrons are orbiting the atoms of the iron magnet. In speculation it seems this should create a very high frequency AC current in the inductor if it is properly tuned to the rate of orbit of the electrons in the iron.

I can picture it all in my head, but where I'm struggling with figuring this out is my lack of knowledge when it comes to electrical power itself and things like inductance and how to build a coil that's supposed to resonate at a specific frequency.

What I picture is a coil wrapped around an iron magnetized core that is in tune with the frequency at which the literal electrons are orbiting the iron atoms.

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Fighter posted this 06 August 2024

Hi Jose Antonio,

That is surprising, was it generated by the free vresion or by the paid version of ChatGPT ?

When I use it (sometimes), I use the free version.

Usually they "patch" it so it's possible that within a couple of months you will not receive the same response.

I'm saying this because ChatGPT usually become very defensive when I mention concepts like zero-point energy, one-wire output, Avramenko plug, high-frequency opposing magnetic fields, scalar waves etc.

Here is just one example when ChatGPT completely freaked out when I mentioned a concept I already demonstrated here:

The last section is always the same and it's part of any answer related to the technologies we're experimenting with here.

So as you can see they restricted it so usually it's not very helpful when we try to use it for our research. 🙂

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
		Nikola Tesla

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Jose Antonio posted this 07 August 2024

Quoting:AbitAnnoying

Hello. Interesting idea with the harvesting of energy from the fluctuation of the permanent magnet's magnetic field due to the movement of the electrons inside. But how to solve the problem that these movements are not in phase between individual particles?

I don’t have the exact answer, but your comment got me thinking about how Mechanical Resonance may be your answer also. Back when I was a technician, we would magnetize a screwdriver by pointing it North and whacking it with a hammer. This was enough to loosen the magnetic domains and have them naturally realign N & S effectively adding the magnetic effect to the screwdriver.

So, looking at your (and mine) issue holistically, maybe we need to inject vibrations into the steel/iron to loosen the domains and allow them to align in a favorable position. OR maybe during this process of realignment, they give rise to a process that has a north-facing magnetic field confronting a south-facing magnetic field. What would happen if your Millions of Rotors would align in one position?

In an ideal scenario, we would want the domains, electrons, or whatever, to drive the process and not the driver that creates the process.

-JA

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Jose Antonio posted this 07 August 2024

Quoting:Fighter

Hi Jose Antonio,

That is surprising, was it generated by the free vresion or by the paid version of ChatGPT ?

When I use it (sometimes), I use the free version.

I am certainly using the free version and I can only ask about five questions before I get locked out. When using it, I try to stay away from keywords such as over-unity, free energy, zero point energy, and such. Asking about resonance and energy extraction utilizing resonance appears to be a valid question.

From studying the Barbosa and Leal devices, it appears that they don't create an inductive field through traditional means. They found a way to move electrons from the ground, consequentially creating a current flow due to electron movement and it turns out that current creates a magnetic field that is in favor of another magnetic field in the device. So in other words a north magnetic field facing a south magnetic field constantly inducing energy on a closed loop. This completely contradicts traditional induction.

-JA

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AbitAnnoying posted this 07 August 2024

Jose Antonio- Yes, the individual domains could be aligned, after all, this is how a macroscopic magnetic field is created. But here it would be necessary to somehow force the electrons to move in exactly the same way in each atom, so that the fluctuations are in phase and do not interfere with each other. So that some energy can be generated by these fluctuations. I think there is no way yet to achieve such synchronization without a large amount of energy required to create and maintain this synchronization.

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Apoc posted this 10 August 2024

My thinking was that since the domains would be alligned that the electron fluxuations would then allign but your probably right it doesnt make sense that a particle traveling at the speed of light is just going to do so in unison with all the other electrons. At any rate the frequency is so high we really have no way to create a circuit that even could resonate at those million terra herz freuqencies.

What I'm still messing around with now though is instead trying to interact with earths natural magnetic fields schumann resonant frequencies which are much more feasible. The main problem with them is that there is so much noise eveywhere from everything and that the schumann frequencies don't have a very high amplitude to work with.

So its... Very high frequency high amplitude versus low frequency low amplitude, I don't like that... I still think to create an on demand electric circuit generator its going to involve frequency and resonance and harmonics somehow, how though I'm not so sure yet.... gonna keep reading more about waves and frequencies and how they interact, its very fascinating stuff.

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Apoc posted this 4 weeks ago

Well, I think I finally did it. I was able to replicate my original experiment from almost 2 years ago that yielded 0.1 microamps from almost nothing. (I mentioned this earlier in this thread about winding a coil around a magnet that gave off a milliamp dc reading with nothing)

After countless dicussions with ChatGPT and reading up various scientific concepts that were involved in the original experiment I think I finally zeroed into what actually happened, AND I was able to recreate it from that concept.

The original experiment was a coil I wound around a cylindrical stack of neodymium magnets, the coil had an arbitrary number of turns because I wasn't counting them when I wound it. Then at the end of the magnet stack there was a PZT piezoelectric transducer attached to them. When I did this 2 years ago I was trying to get the PZT to kind of "vibrate" the magnetic field a bit to create induction into the coil I put on the stack of magnets and also connect the PZT to the coil for added feedback.

However when I did this I made a mistake and only connected my voltmeter directly to the coil. The voltmeter picked up nothing in any of its modes EXCEPT it had a weak 0.1 microamp DC reading that was steady. At the time I was trying to do something completely different and connected the PZT into the circuit and got no readings at all. I reconnected to just the coil and again solid 0.1 microamp DC readings. I thought to myself... "well thats odd". Being dumb at the time and more eager in trying different things to further what I thought was going on (the inductance of the disturbed magnetic field into the coil) I moved on and never counted the number of turns in the coil when it was working. I quickly messed with it took it apart tried different things but the mysterious 0.1 microamp DC reading was gone, and I couldn't reproduce it.

This lead me down many paths as I deperately tried to recreate it. I originally thought the PZT had nothing to do with it and that I somehow tapped into some kind of resonance of the electrons in the magnet. (boy was that a wild goose chase that took way too long).

Eventually I figured out that the reason we can't "tune" a circuit into the natural vibrations of free electrons or even electrons in magnets or even just around us is because even if we can tune to the extremely high frequency that they vibrate at. (talking THz to even PHz and EHz) The problem then becomes that they are not all vibrating in unison. This leads to any signals being picked up being completely out of phase with each other, and at the end of it all were left incoherent noise that leads to no electrical power. Then I got to talking with chatgpt about how one could get electrons to be "in phase" to get power from their natural vibrations. This is where I thought of crystals and piezoelectrics. Due to their atomic shape and ordering they are partially "in phase" or vibrating in unison to a degree. Instead of incoherent noise you get order.

Among otther things I also discussed using the Larmor frequency of electrons aswell which is directly related to the B field of the magnet. This is kind of another dead end though because in order for the larmor frequency to matter, you need some sort of signal to generate it (MRI's use this for imaging, they use a strong magnetic field and then a signal pulse of some kind to perturb the subatomic particles of whats being imaged and their corresponding larmor frequencies) this leads to them somehow being able to create the image.

The problem here is that for the larmor frequency to be used for anything you need to either pulse the B field, or introduce a signal and this is how the electrons temporarily precess in unison which also requires energy input. (this might still be able to be tapped somehow but I haven't figured that out yet). So were left with the PZT I had in the original experiment.

Long story short, my original coil in my experiment from 2 years ago had JUST the right amount of turns to be tuned to the PZT in a certain way. Eventually I figured out what that frequency was (also again very high) then I figured out a way to "downmix" this signal into a lower one (which was happening in my original experiment 2 years ago again by happenstance of how it was setup). So about 2 hours ago, I rewound a coil designed for this frequency, set it up, at first I got nothing. As I played with it though I eventually got the coil just right and was able to get a steady 0.1 microamps DC reading. (The issue is I don't have a good Oscilloscope or Signal generator to properly tune a coil exactly) so I had to slowly add and remove turns until the signal was picked up. Eventually I even got it to 0.2 microamps DC.

The odds of me doing this by randomness 2 years ago are insane to the point where I'm calling this a literal miracle... even being able to go back and reconstruct it would never have been possible without chatGPT being able to quickly explain scientific concepts and even make suggestions. Along with helping out with the math required to estimate coil dimensions for specific frequencies was incredibly helpful.

For now I'm taking a break, but next I want to create another coil with tighter parameters to tune it better and see if it still picks it up again. Then I also want to see how stackable this is. In "theory" at least as this evolves with multiple coils and more piezoelectrics I could increase power outputs. The goal or real milesstone will be is if I can some how use this to light an LED indefintely... now that would be something else...

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Sandy posted this 4 weeks ago

Replying To: Apoc

Hi Apoc, nice post. Thanks for posting something meaningful relating to your own work. Would you be willing to post a picture or diagram of the device? It sounds like an accessible experiment for members to try, even if the working parameters are incredibly subtle and the window of operation is narrow. Kind regards, Sandy

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Apoc posted this 4 weeks ago

Replying To: Sandy

I'm working on testing it more to rule out background noise still... I kind of jumped the gun posting this I think, I need to wind a better coil and have it mounted and completely stationary, and maybe use a variable capacitor to tune it better to indeed prove its picking up the signal from the PZT and nothing else (Also considering trying to include some type of faraday like shielding to further isolate it). Right now there's too many variables... there's still a slight possibility the reading came from the coil moving a bit because I was using 20 AWG wire which doesn't like to sit still as I was adding and removing turns to tune it. My next test is going to involve 30 AWG wire that can be more easily manipulated and tuned and a variable capacitor to change the tuning instead of trying to add and remove turns on the fly which could have lead to some partial inductance between the magnet and the coil. If I do get it to work with a completely mounted and still setup and can produce the same results I will be providing further details as to how to recreate it along with how I understand it to be working.

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