I understand. Graphite iself is electrically conductive so for sure it's coated with something, maybe to make it more conductive for high temperatures or something like that.
If the seller is describing it as electrically conductive then it's false advertising so I sugest to make an appeal to Ebay to get your money back:
It depends by the saturation of PEG powder in the solution.
In the image below:
on the left side is how I did it initially, the solution is transparent it's highly conductive and it acts like a short-circuit triggering the auto-protection of my DC source;
on the right side where the solution is white and viscous it's not electrically conductive and it acts as a battery accumulating energy (during the conditioning process) and releasing it after in hours (the multimeter connected to the cell shows voltage about 1.6 V but it drops slowly in time until it reaches cell's natural voltage).
I didn't knew the behavior of this PEG product so I've put powder in water which is wrong, it makes the solution transparent and could probably take weeks to solidify. The idea is to put drops of water in the PEG powder and homogenize them but not too much water, we must still keep the solution white and viscous.
Then the cell can be put in the conditioning process:
What I said above applies to the Effecol product I bought, maybe it doesn't apply to other PEG products.
Note: I've made the conditioning process like in the image above in sessions of 3-4 minutes at 30 V (see the voltage booster display), I never kept the cells charging more because I don't know what happens if they accumulate too much energy. I didn't wanted to risk to damage them or, who knows, maybe explode or something.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
Adding some updates after a few days of observation of the cells' behavior.
First, the big cell solidified at surface but under that surface it formed cave-like spaces where it trapped the liquid solution. So I needed to break the solidified surface and extract that liquid until it remained only the viscous PEG below:
Then it started to solidify/crystalize just like the small cell:
The problem is the remaining PEG is covering only a small surface of the electrodes and that's not what I intended with this big cell.
But I'll let it solidify and then come with more PEG mix over it in order to try to solve this problem. I'll see how it works after that.
In the meanwhile the little cell solidified/crystalized very well and seems completely dry now:
So after learning how to work with this Effecol product I think it's okay, different composition and maybe not as good as the Canadian product (Joel is getting around 1.2-1.4 V in his cells) but good enough at least for current experiments.
So I ordered and received 3 more boxes for building other experimental quantum cells:
The voltage of both cells is pretty much stabilized right now, but they're not fixed, always jumping up and down with a few milliamperes.
This is a photo I took right now (it's night, 3:10 AM here so I turned on a light so I can take the photo):
Keep in mind the big cell is not crystalized/solidified yet so this may not be its actual voltage.
These days I put both cells on scope with probes set to X1, there is a lot of activity in them.
This is the big cell on scope:
And this is the small cell on scope:
And here is a short video of the scope showing the activity in the small cell:
As you can see the scope can't get a lock on all these fluctuations so it can't show a frequency or other characteristics.
Looking at this chaotic activity two phrases are coming to my mind from two of our great teachers:
...vacuum is filled with enormous energy but the energy is not organized,it's goin every which way... if we look with the particle view the vacuum then would be a vast series of incredible dense little particles forming and unforming all the time... we have what we call virtual particle, it appears out of nothing and disappears back into nothing very rapidly, you can't grab one individually but lots of them if they get in line and hit something they make the forces of nature...the vacuum is an incredibly intense flux of virtual particles bombarding everything in the world but each little particle hits so lightly you don't know it, but if they line up you can get any amount of force or power you wish to from the vacuum flux.
...Another way of looking at this would be that if you take a room of ping-pong balls and you get them all going in many directions and they're bouncing around, there is a certain amount of energy in that room. But if you line these ping-pong balls up and you can do it magnetically then all of a sudden you've got a tremendous amount of energy that was not present before...
In my opinion this is what we see on the scope in the video above...
You want to see the "magic" of these cells ? 🙂 I've made a video showing how fast they are recharging after they're discharged (in this experiment actually short-circuited):
Let me clarify, these cells will never be able to power our houses, so they'll never replace our current experiments for that goal, okay ?
But a couple of these cells could easily recharge a capacitor in a self-rechargable LED flashlight when it's not turned on.
A eternal self-charging flashlight, wouldn't that be nice ?.. ☺️
And this was just a first example which came to my mind, there could be plenty of other aplications.
Also these cells could be used as sensors showing the intensity of the Zero-Point energy around our devices during the experiments. They could provide very useful information for that field which our standard instruments could not measure.
So even if this is a side projects, I'll continue the experiments (when I have available time) and of course I'll come with updates when I have them.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
After short-circuiting them during the demonstration video above today I see their constant voltage increased.
The small cell is providing constant 0.814 V (from 0.804 V last night) and the big cell is providing constant 0.928 V (from 0.915 V last night):
I disconnected the multimeters and connected them again, I short-circuited the cells again and the result is the same: their voltage is going up to 0.814 V and 0.928 V and is staying there.
I have no explanation but it doesn't seem to be just a coincidence. Seems I didn't saw their true potential yet and they still can be conditioned somehow by short-circuiting them...
I'll keep observing them, I'll try to short-circuit them more and see what they will gonna do.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
Sorry for the late updates here but last week was a busy week at work (I worked during the weekend too).
But in all this time I observed the cells behavior and gathered data.
Just for clarification, in the following text "nominal voltage" means the cell reach a state of equilibrium where the voltage is constant, not rising or not decreasing anymore.
During the crystalization process and with periodical short-circuiting conditioning the voltage increased and dropped multiple times.
The conditioning of the cells by short-circuiting them worked for a while so today the cells have the following nominal voltages (compare it with the initial nominal voltages in the previous post above):
But during the process of crystalization I noticed something, their nominal voltage increased during the day and decreased during the night. This is just an example, two photos taken at night and the next day:
As Joel shown, the cells are reacting to external factors, they have piezolelectric properties and there are voltage spikes when they're slowly hit.
So my guess was the cells' nominal voltages could also be influenced by the external temperature.
I needed to verify this so I've made a short experiment where I used the temperature of my hand (no pressure applied on the cell):
So this is confirmed, the external temperature is influencing their nominal voltages.
So when the outside temperature drops I expect (and already seen this) their nominal voltages to decrease.
This is how the crystalized PEG looks like now in the cells:
About possible oxidation of the electrodes so far so good, I didn't noticed any sign for now.
In the big cell there is a part where the PEG intruded between the copper foils and the plastic enclosure but other than that no sign of oxidation (for copper there should be something greenish):
Something else that I noticed: after the short-circuit the big cell its voltage is going back much faster to its nominal voltage compared to the small cell. The big cell is reaching 0.7 V almost instantly while the small cell is reaching it in a few seconds.
So even if the quantity of PEG and the surface of the electrodes are not proportionally increasing the nominal voltage they seems to influence the speed on how the cell is restoring its nominal voltage. And this is very important regarding the energy a cell can provide in time.
Please keep in mind some of the observations above are empirical, they're made on just two cells and the PEG composition I use is different than what Joel use for his cells.
The PEG composition is probably the reason why Joel's cells are reaching 1.2-1.4 V, probably it's better (maybe more pure ?..) than what I use.
Now that the cells are ready for experiments I intend to go to the next phase: see how can we use the free self-restoring voltage they provide to charge a capacitor through one-wire and an Avramenko plug.
Also, seeing how responsive they are to external temperature and small mechanical shocks I'm curios what effect the coils of my DSE devices have on them (especially the Heaviside component) if I place one (the small cell) inside the coils in the place of the actual variable capacitors:
In the meanwhile I will also build other cells as I mentioned before:
I want to build two more cells:
with one electrode made of carbon felt and one electrode made of tinfoil;
with both electrodes made of tinfoil.
Joel mentioned also that adding copper oxide is enhancing the PEG solution, maybe I'll get some copper oxide and I'll try it on building a third cell.
Many things to experiment I just need to find time for each of them.
I'll come with updates as I'll have them.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
This is today's nominal voltage of the cells. There are variations of 100-150 mV for each of them and for now I'm not sure what's causing them because the temperature variations between day and night are not that big to determine these voltage variations. No hypothesis for now about what's causing them, the cause remains to be determined.
Also no signs of oxidation on the electrodes. If there would be any electrodes oxidation inside the PEG certainly it would be visible also in the zones where PEG stops covering the electrodes.
As my PEG is not as good as the Canadian version I decided to not start building the additional 3 cells and waste it until I'll get some copper oxide powder which according to Joel is improving the performance of his cells.
I found a Romanian company selling it and I'll buy about 500 grams from here. It's not cheap but also it's not highly expensive.
Meanwhile I want to start the experiments with these two cells, most exactly building the mechanism for collecting their energy to see how fast they can regenerate their voltage after extracting it in a capacitor.
I've asked for some directions from ChatGPT. As long as we don't tell to it about our exotic experiments it can be useful, it doesn't go crazy and doesn't go in denial mode... 😄
Here is the conversation:
So until I'll get the copper oxide powder (stores for non-alimentary products are closed these days because of the incoming Easter holidays) I will continue the research and work in this direction.
I'll come with updates as I'll have them.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
As you probably figured it out, the finding available time part didn't go as planned.
Which was very frustrating as I have all the materials just staying here for going to the next phases of my experiments (this one and the DSE experiments) but no time to work on them.
But I worked using chunks of time, I've searched for parts available around to build the other cells and I've found some matching what I had in mind.
So this is their current status:
So this is how they gonna look like:
Their configurations will be as this:
carbon felt on the central tube and aluminum tinfoil on the red part;
carbon felt on the central tube and copper foil on the red part;
carbon felt on the central tube and magnesium plate in the interior of the red part;
carbon felt on the central tube and magnesium plate in the interior of the red part;
aluminum tin foil on the central tube and also on the red part.
About the PEG composition: 1,2,3 and 5 will have PEG combined with copper oxide (4 parts PEG powder, 1 part copper oxide) as Joel presented in this video (at 7:39):
I know the PEG powder I have is different than the Canadian one but I guess the 4/1 ratio is still as close as I can get to his mix.
For cell number 4 I want to experiment with another mix without copper oxide but using polymer gel beads as he presented here:
For this I bought some polymer beads available on the market here, hopefully they are similar:
We'll see...
About the magnesium plates, I still don't have them. I ordered ones from China but the shipment was blocked by the Chinese customs for an unknown reason and the seller didn't answered to my messages. I've asked AliExpress to step in and give my money back, I'll see how much it will take to recover my money.
After this incident I ordered another ones which are currently on their way to Europe, I'll still need to wait for them to arrive.
About experimenting with the two cells I already have functional, as in the discussion with ChantGPT here, I bought some Toshiba 1SV149 varactors from Ebay and they arrived yesterday:
It's a batch of 50 but it's the only one on Ebay specifying they're genuine Toshiba components. So as the price of the batch is decent I decided to buy them, could be useful in other experiments in the future.
So this is the current status, I'll use this weekend for advancing these experiments (like placing the electrodes on the cells where possible, I still don't have the magnesium plates arrived).
Sorry about these delays with my projects, it's frustrating for me too, but it was a very busy period at work which took more than the standard time every day.
About the two functional cells, their nominal voltages are variable by day and night but somehow around 0.80 and 0.88 volts:
I still don't see any signs of corrosion anywhere on the electrodes.
I'll come with updates, hopefully more often.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
I used the few chunks of available time to continue building the new cells.
First, the carbon felt I bought, I bought it too thick (10 mm). Because of that I came to the conclusion that there would not be too much space left for the PEG solution in the new cells.
So I needed to split it to sheets of 5 mm thickness so the cells will have more space for the PEG solution.
Fortunately the 10 mm sheets I bought seem to be composed of two 5 mm sheets put tight together so I was able to split them:
So right now the anodes are built and mounted:
The reason I wanted to build them in the same way is to have as close as possible equal surfaces for anodes and as close as possible equal surfaces for cathodes and as close as possible the quantity of the PEG solution so I can compare the efficency of different variations of these cells.
The only exception is the 5th cell (closer to the camera in the photo above) which will have both the anode and cathode made from the same material (aluminum foil) and the distance between anode and cathode will be smaller.
Two safety advices I want to share:
the carbon felt is brittle, when manipulating it you'll notice your hands will start itching; that's because there will be very smart particles from it spreading on your hands, on the surfaces around and possible in the air around them; don't let those particles to reach your eyes, mouth or nose, better use surgical gloves and mask; do the building on a temporary surface (I used sheets of paper) which will collect those particles and which you will throw to your recycling bin when you finish; then wash your hands with a lot of soap after that and make sure those particles are not remaining on your hands;
the carbon felt is reacting to superglue, emitting an invisible gas which will give the sensation of burning eyes for about half of hour if you stay too close while gluing the carbon felt on the supports; keep your face at distance while gluing the carbon felt.
I learned all these very fast while working on the first cell.
I'll push in finishing the cells as fast as possible, the lack of available time delayed already too much this experiment.
I still don't have the magnesium plates I bough but they were released by the Romanian customs and I should have them in 1-2 days. I also bought a few copper foils and they just entered in EU, hopefully I'll have them during this week (if the customs are not moody).
I'll come with updates soon.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
Wednesday I've received the magnesium plates (shown near the cells in the first photo below).
I've also found some time to finish the first two cells: one with aluminum foil on both anode and cathode and one with carbon felt on anode and aluminum foil on cathode:
For the cell having both anode and cathode made of aluminum foil I tried to make the anode having the surface area equal to the surface area of the carbon felt anodes of the other cells so there will be a fair performance comparing between this cell and the other cells:
Also today I got a call from the courier having the copper foils shipment and I just received it:
Now I have all the materials for building the other 3 cells, I'll start taking the measurements and cutting the magnesium and copper cathodes.
About the two functional cells, I'm adding a note.
We had significant temperature increase here (up to 32-34 0C) so I thought this will increase their nominal voltage. In previous data I've shown their nominal voltage is temperature dependant. So I thought their nominal voltage will rise back to about 0.800 and 0.950 V like before.
Well, it didn't happened. So at this point I don't think their behavior is predictible as I thought, there must be other factors influencing their behavior:
I'll come with updates, trying to build the remaining 3 cells in this weekend and hopefully (if I have enough time) to prepare and put the PEG mixture in them.
Regards,
Fighter
"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of
energy, frequency and
vibration."
