Joel Lagace's Quantum Power Cell

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Fighter posted this 21 March 2024

Hello,

Remember the Water-Based Long-Running Device ? It worked continuously for 2 years until the Zinc plate corroded but if I replace the plate it could work again for another 2 years.

Its only inconveniences were:

  1. The water needed to be replenished at every few weeks because of the natural phenomenon of water evaporation;
  2. Altough the copper mesh was not affected by water corrosion (as normally should happen), the zinc plate was slowly corroded and needs to be replaced after about two years.

Well, seems there is possible to replace the water with a solid-state material which will resolve the two inconveniences specified above.

The solution is a polymer named Polyethylene Glycol (PEG). As you can read here:

Although not yet in commercial production, many groups around the globe are engaged in research on solid polymer electrolytes involving PEG, with the aim of improving their properties, and in permitting their use in batteries, electro-chromic display systems, and other products in the future.

But as Joel Lagace discovered, it can be also used for building its device he named Quantum Power Cell which is providing low-current but constant electricity.

More specific Joel used Polyethylene Glycol (PEG) 3350 which is used in some pharmaceutical products. He used PEG 3350 from Relaxa but there are similar products made by other companies.

Theoretically the device should work forever without maintenance because after the preparation PEG 3350 becomes solid and there should not be any corrosion/degradation effect on the anode and cathode made from carbon felt. But this could only be verified by running the cell for a long time.

Altough the device is experimental it can keep a LED on permanently and provide enough current to power a Joule-Thief or a very small electrical motor.

Joel says that more current can be provided by moving the anode and cathode as close as possible to each other so the output of the device could become higher.

Here is how the solid-state PEG 3350 is prepared and placed in the cell:

 

And here are some demonstrations on what the cell can do even if it's in a early stage (see the anodes and cathodes are not that close to each other):

 

Joel is estimating that many of these cells put together could power a LED light bulb for about 20 minutes through some capacitors then they need some time to recharge again.

Of course I see no problem in scaling up this cell (more PEG 3350, bigger anode and cathode) so it can provide more power.

And here is a self-charging demonstration using a small electrical motor as load:

 

I intend to build one of these quantum cells as a side project. I'm interested to check if there is any degradation of the PEG 3350, anode or cathode when the cell is running a long time with a load.

If there is no degradation that means the cell can be an alternative to Melnichenko's/Akula's eternal flashlight. But that remains to be verified in time.

As this device have no input it's obviously overunity so I added the "Beyond-Unity" tag to it.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
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Fighter posted this 21 March 2024

Hello,

Remember the Water-Based Long-Running Device ? It worked continuously for 2 years until the Zinc plate corroded but if I replace the plate it could work again for another 2 years.

Its only inconveniences were:

  1. The water needed to be replenished at every few weeks because of the natural phenomenon of water evaporation;
  2. Altough the copper mesh was not affected by water corrosion (as normally should happen), the zinc plate was slowly corroded and needs to be replaced after about two years.

Well, seems there is possible to replace the water with a solid-state material which will resolve the two inconveniences specified above.

The solution is a polymer named Polyethylene Glycol (PEG). As you can read here:

Although not yet in commercial production, many groups around the globe are engaged in research on solid polymer electrolytes involving PEG, with the aim of improving their properties, and in permitting their use in batteries, electro-chromic display systems, and other products in the future.

But as Joel Lagace discovered, it can be also used for building its device he named Quantum Power Cell which is providing low-current but constant electricity.

More specific Joel used Polyethylene Glycol (PEG) 3350 which is used in some pharmaceutical products. He used PEG 3350 from Relaxa but there are similar products made by other companies.

Theoretically the device should work forever without maintenance because after the preparation PEG 3350 becomes solid and there should not be any corrosion/degradation effect on the anode and cathode made from carbon felt. But this could only be verified by running the cell for a long time.

Altough the device is experimental it can keep a LED on permanently and provide enough current to power a Joule-Thief or a very small electrical motor.

Joel says that more current can be provided by moving the anode and cathode as close as possible to each other so the output of the device could become higher.

Here is how the solid-state PEG 3350 is prepared and placed in the cell:

 

And here are some demonstrations on what the cell can do even if it's in a early stage (see the anodes and cathodes are not that close to each other):

 

Joel is estimating that many of these cells put together could power a LED light bulb for about 20 minutes through some capacitors then they need some time to recharge again.

Of course I see no problem in scaling up this cell (more PEG 3350, bigger anode and cathode) so it can provide more power.

And here is a self-charging demonstration using a small electrical motor as load:

 

I intend to build one of these quantum cells as a side project. I'm interested to check if there is any degradation of the PEG 3350, anode or cathode when the cell is running a long time with a load.

If there is no degradation that means the cell can be an alternative to Melnichenko's/Akula's eternal flashlight. But that remains to be verified in time.

As this device have no input it's obviously overunity so I added the "Beyond-Unity" tag to it.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
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Fighter posted this 23 March 2024

And this is the energy "signature" of the cell:

 

Notice the frequency of the random fluctuations, that's where its energy is coming from.

Considering it's working using the quantum-tunneling phenomenon, can we consider this as actually the "signature" of the Zero-Point field ?..

If the answer is yes then maybe we can use one of these cells as a senzor for reading how intense the Zero-Point field fluctuations are around our other devices during our experiments. Because it doesn't have any coils so clearly what it's "reading" are not electromagnetic fields.

Seems the solid-state PEG 3350 is actually an artificial crystal similar to the natural crystals John Hutchinson used in his crystal batteries. One of those batteries were also capable to power a very small motor.

The advantage is we can make our own artificial crystals (including the sizes we want) like this instead of searching for rare natural crystals having these properties like John Hutchinson did for his crystal batteries.

Note: this one seems to use different anode and cathode, one is still made from carbon felt but the other is made from magnesium (according to Joel's answer to one of the comments).

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
Fighter posted this 23 March 2024

And a confirmation that this cell is not using the humidity from the air as some viewers of the video speculated on YouTube.

The video contains also a possible explication of how it works.

Seems there is a method for conditioning it during the construction process so it become more efficient and provide more voltage.

 

Conditioning method (fragment from video's description):

To further refine and enhance the properties of the cell, a conditioning process can be implemented. This involves heating the dried solid-state electrolyte in an oven at a low temperature, around 150°F or below, for approximately 15 minutes. This process transforms the solid-state into a wax-like consistency. Following this, electrodes are connected to a 12V DC power supply and attached to the cell. The assembly is then carefully placed in a freezer for 15 to 20 minutes, facilitating the charging process. Once removed and disconnected from the power source, the cell is allowed to acclimate to room temperature. This conditioning process yields a significant increase in voltage, from an initial 1.2V to nearly 2V, illustrating the potential for further enhancements through repeated conditioning. Such advancements suggest the possibility of increasing the cell's efficiency without the necessity of stacking thousands of cells to achieve a higher potential.

Very interesting stuff with a lot of potential.

Just adding here a fragment from one of my posts I've made in February 2023:

My prediction is: the most advanced Beyond-Unity devices of the future will not need input energy at all. And the secret of building those machines are the Metamaterials - artificial materials engineered to have specific properties not found anywhere in nature. For our specific field of research that would mean metamaterials designed to interact directly with the zero-point quantum fluctuations, get their energy and convert it to the kind of energy we gonna need - thermal, electrical or even mechanical energy.

For now this cell is a low-power output device but it shows what's possible in that direction.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
Fighter posted this 25 March 2024

Adding one update containing more info about the quantum cell.

Talking about conditioning the cell in order to boost its output, here is the process:

 

Without conditioning Joel's cells outputs are about 1.2 V. This one is "upgraded" to about 2.2 V.

And here Joel is adding more info about the cell:

 

Regards,

Fighter

 

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
Fighter posted this 25 March 2024

About my side-project in replicating this cell...

I ordered some conductive carbon felt from China:

Soft Battery Electrode Conductivity Graphite Felt High Temperature Carbon Fiber

As Relaxa is not available in Europe, the closest product I found available and I ordered is this:

Effecol 3350 Epsilon Health, 12 plicuri x 13,3 g, S.I.I.T.

Hopefully its PEG 3350 composition is similar to the Canadian product.

I don't have a sheet of magnesium but I have one high-purity Zinc plate I bought for the water-based device (post here).

I'll see how it works with that and I'll try with other metals. If the efficiency will be lower I will search for a magnesium plate.

For now I must wait for the carbon felt, it will take a few weeks to come from China.

Regards,

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
AlteredUnity posted this 25 March 2024

Very interesting, I have graphite felt and PEG3350 on the way, should be here tomorrow. What is the magnesium plate used for? Just wondering if I need it, if so I'll order today.

Fighter posted this 26 March 2024

In the initial specs both anodes and cathodes were made from carbon felt.

Later the specs were updated: they are made from carbon felt and magnesium plates:

The thing is in one of his videos Joel insists the cell works with both anode and cathode made from the same material, take a look at this (I set the video to start at the phrase where he says "we're using similar, not dissimilar metals"):

If that's true (and seems to be true from what he is showing in that test) then this has nothing in common with any ordinary galvanic piles and it means something important: the electrodes will not get corroded in time, meaning no electrodes replacement will ever be needed and this cell will work forever just like Jagau's Micro-Generator.

But time will confirm this part, we'll see after we run these devices 1-2 years.

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
hitsfm posted this 26 March 2024

Replying To: Fighter

you're correct and the initial testing I wanted to see if I could reinforce the theory that there could be something quantum like quantum tunneling or other unusual phenomena at work so by testing a cell with the stuff initially the peg electrolyte mix I just squished some of it soaked in and some paper towel and let that dry and I put that in between real tight so that was actually a very thin layer of the Electro light soaked and dried paper towel and use two foil plates tinfoil to be precise from the kitchen as cathode and anode and as you see in the initial video there was a voltage but I really had to press on it to initiate the reaction lots of pressure and very thin electrolyte. 

 

What all this means is it's still an active experimentation and research even on my end and as I find more information I will share my findings. 

Fighter posted this 26 March 2024

Hello and welcome,

What do you mean by "as you see in the initial video", are you Joel Lagace ?! 🙂

If yes then we're glad to have you here !

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Fighter

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Inception posted this 26 March 2024

Joel mentioned "electret" in his video.

Michael Faraday was the first to consider the possibility of electrets in his 1839 book, Experimental Researches in Electricity.

In 1892, British scientist, Oliver Heaviside, was first to coin the term "electret" and discuss its properties.

"Electret" is the combination of "electron" and "magnet".

[Heaviside] defined electret as “an electrified dielectric having opposite charges on two faces,” analogous to a magnet. 

The first systematic research with electrets began in 1919, when a Japanese physicist, Mototaro Eguchi, fabricated an electret. He did this by cooling and solidifying a molten mixture of carnauba wax and resin with a little beeswax, while applying an electric field of about 10kV/cm to the mixture.

This dielectric material contains polar molecules, which align themselves to the direction of the electric field, producing a permanent electrostatic “bias.” When the melt cools and solidifies, the permanent dipole moments remain locked in place and retain their orientation for a long time, ranging from several days to many years.

https://circuitcellar.com/research-design-hub/projects/the-amazing-electret/

Polyethelene Glycol is mentioned as an electret material in patent US8153702B2: 

https://patents.google.com/patent/US8153702B2/en

In one embodiment said polymer is selected from polyacrylamide, poly(acrylic acid), polyethylenimine, polyvinylamine, poly(ethylene glycol), polyvinylacetate, poly(-hydroxyethyl methacrylate), poly (dimethylaminoethyl methacrylate), poly(vinylimidazole), poly(2-methyl-2-oxazoline), poly(2-ethyl-2-oxazoline), poly(N-isopropylacrylamide), poly(dimethylaminoethyl methacrylate).

Also mentioned in this patent are the preparation, conditioning and the types of electrodes used in each "embodiment" of the electret.

Charging voltages can be as low as a few volts.

The present invention provides for a new class of electret materials which are water-soluble and which can therefore be processed in steps involving water. Moreover, the new class of water-soluble/hydrophilic/polyelectrolytic polymer can be strongly charged with space charges having a higher penetration into the bulk. Moreover, the new method of producing an electret material allows lower charging voltages down to a few volts (this can be seen from the onset of charging for polyacrylamide in FIG. 3) as compared to voltages far in excess of 1000 V usually used in electret charging. and it allows for increased homogeneity, increased strength and higher depth of charging. Moreover, the resolution and data density of xerography and storage applications based on the method according to the present invention can be increased by operating in low humidity.

Note that sealing the unit after dehydration keeps moisture from reducing the effective charge. So moisture is not a useful component.

The fascinating aspect of the electret is that it has both electrostatic and magnetic properties.

Electrets, like magnets, are dipoles. Another similarity is the fields: they produce an electrostatic field (as opposed to a magnetic field) outside the material. When a magnet and an electret are near one another, a rather unusual phenomenon occurs: while stationary, neither has any effect on one another. However, when an electret is moved with respect to a magnetic pole, a force is felt which acts perpendicular to the magnetic field, pushing the electret along a path 90 degrees to the expected direction of "push" as would be felt with another magnet.

Equate "ClearLax" is the less expensive PEG alternative, sold at WalMart.

Fighter posted this 27 March 2024

And an experiment with a power cell used as input: charging a capacitor then the energy is used for creating pulses in a coil.

In this video Joel is adding also very important information about different materials and their characteristics and efficiency related to this kind of experiments.

 

Fighter

"If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration."
Nikola Tesla
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